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Armour padding instruction by Noctiped Armour padding instruction by Noctiped
I got a little bored yesterday, and suddenly found a pile of documentation photos from my last padding project.
So I decided to share a little knowledge.

Comments are welcome.

EDIT: Clarifyed some details, and changed into a readable font and color. Adjusted some minor spelling mistakes. Added extra lion at the bottom.
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Sonny007 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2015  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Is this a 14. or 15.th century gambeson?
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Noctiped Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2015  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
It is more of a 15th century model, if the arms were sewn in place and not laced in place.
I have chosen to reduce periodness a bit for heat reduction. =)
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VampGuy Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2015
very informative
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Noctiped Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2015  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Thanks.
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LadyArwynn16 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Great work.. nice tutorial
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Br0h31m3 Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Your tutorials are making it very difficult for me to save money! haha. I just want to make everything! great job
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Noctiped Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Haha. =)

Theoretically you could make one really good padding, and therefore save money on replacing one or two cheap ones, but if you count the work time it quickly becomes a very unbalanced equation. ;)

Glad you like it. =)
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BanesArmory Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
On Behalf of the Community, Thank You!
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Noctiped Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Well, thank you. I am really glad that people enjoy my work. =)
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sgainbrachta Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2012
Great tutorial, pretty complete and easy to follow! Once again, thanks and well done!
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Noctiped Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Thank you. =)
I did some adjustments a few days ago, to make it even more understandable.
And finally got the bloody text black instead of dark blue. =P
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sgainbrachta Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2012
Yeah, easy to read is also important. Especially for us old guys.
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Mertranor Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2012
wow... a really nice work, thanks for sharing the knowledge

a question about the confort of the gambax you are showing. how it feel the movement when you have it on???
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Noctiped Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
No problem. =)

Well, this particular gambeson is a little tight around the elbows, which hinders motion a little.
Other than that it allows perfect mobility. It has been used some years now though, and it was much stiffer when it was new.
The major difference between with/without gambeson is the heat. Unless it is cold outside you start sweating about 15 minutes after taking it on, no matter what you do. Faster if you fight in it or are walking. However, it can be quite cosy on chilly evenings, or in winter. =)
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Mertranor Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2012
thanks... it really help my that info. one last question... do you use any armor over it? (Chain maille or plate??)

thakns again, and great work ^^
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Noctiped Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Well, both actually. [link]

Since this tutorial was written I have also added sewn-on chainmail pieces to the gambeson, to protect armpits and hips.
That removes the need for a normal chainmail shirt beneath the armour, reducing weight by about 6 kilograms. =)
[link]
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Mertranor Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2012
thanks... excellent information...

it will help a lot with my actual proyect...


and... EXCELLENT WORK... i see a lot of talent in your proyects, and a lot of dedication... ^^
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Noctiped Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
No problem. I like to share experience. =)

Now I'm getting curious; what project are you doing?
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Mertranor Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2012
jajajaja... to many question... to few answer??


i'm trying to recreate a full armor of a knight from the XII century... and the difficult part (at least for me at this point) is the gambeson, because i'm not really good with the tailoring... and there is little information about the patterns...

so your tutorial was like a star fall from heaven...
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Noctiped Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Just so that you know; my tutorial is perhaps not the best base for making accurate period equipment. It is more adopted for larp use, in a general medieval setting.

If aiming for 12th century I would recommend sewing the arms on entirely, and lengthen the lower edge to just above the knees, perhaps making a slit or two. I am unsure of the period padding method for 12th century, but I believe wool blankets should be close enough. In approx. 14th century, linen becomes the main material, and as much as 30 layers have been noted. =P
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leekellerking Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2012
Thanks for sharing. I need a new gambeson and I may use your pattern to improve my homemade pattern.

Lee
(Ld. Leif Wadson in the Current Middle Ages)
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Noctiped Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
No problem. Good luck! =)
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aque-mizuhara Featured By Owner May 23, 2012
Awesome work! I was looking for something like this for days <3
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Noctiped Featured By Owner May 23, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Thank you. =)

Just curious; is it for crafting or for reference? I couldn't find any non-drawn armour parts in your gallery... =P
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aque-mizuhara Featured By Owner May 24, 2012
For crafting - I don't do much of it, and I don't usually post what I do. I'm preparing a LARP outfit, and I can't afford a historical padded armour, so I decidied to make my own - just had no idea how to tackle it... So this really saves me.
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Noctiped Featured By Owner May 28, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I see. Good luck, ant if you could get a pic of the done project I would be happy to see it. =)
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aque-mizuhara Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2012
Well, all in all I found another way to make a padded armour (I bought a piece of fabric that's already padded, and am just tailoring a shirt from it :D), but this still was the thing that made me believe I CAN make it :D
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Noctiped Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
That works as well, but it removes the challenge. =P
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aque-mizuhara Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2012
I haven't sewn in my whole life, I'm not really into challenges when I have problems sewing a button to my shirt :P
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EMasqueradeGallery Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2011   Artisan Crafter
How might you alter this pattern for a woman?
-Great job by the way!!
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Noctiped Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Thank you! =)

Well, firstly your body shape matters more than your gender, as several female larpers have used this padding with little or no problem. =P
But suppose you got a larger-than-average bust and hips, then I would increase the width of the front parts around the bust, if needed decrease width around the waist, and increase it over the hips. If hips are very wide, it might be needed to extend the padding a little downwards.
Make sure the armour as well are adapted for this body shape, as most are built for men.
You might also want to increase the padding thickness on the hips a bit, as wider hips allows more weight to be rested there from harness and legs. (Which is positive, as it deburdens your shoulders and spine, but might be uncomfortable in the beginning.)
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ColonelLiamRoss Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010  Professional Artisan Crafter
This is FANTASTIC! Thanks very much for posting! A proper arming doublet is up next on my giant list of stuff to sew and this is going to help a LOT.
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Noctiped Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2010  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Thanks. =)

Just curious; are you going for hand- or machine sewn? =P
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ColonelLiamRoss Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2010  Professional Artisan Crafter
Mostly by hand, I think, though some of the bigger basic construction seems might be done with the machine. Just to make it go faster...
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Noctiped Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2010  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Sounds sound. Every time I've handsewn something, I wonder "Didn't I learn something from the last time?", watch a movie and relax a bit, and start planning the next handsewn project. =P
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ColonelLiamRoss Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2011  Professional Artisan Crafter
That's the best way to do it! Quick question - what does your pattern piece look like for the collar? I always have the worst time trying to create decent-looking collars... :roll:
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Noctiped Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
This is the principle:
[link]
The red cutouts are if you want it really glued to your neck. This padding does not have any cutouts.

Most people have problem with collars being to large at the top, and therefore leaning outwards. That can be countered with the red cutouts, and by making sure to make the rounded parts cut in a lot. The starting angle against the lower edge should be about 45 degrees, depending on your neck shape.

The other main problem is floppyness. I solved that by using a very thick and stiff woolen blanket as core, and quilting it extensively.
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ColonelLiamRoss Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2011  Professional Artisan Crafter
BRILLIANT! Thanks very much for the help. I stitched up the main body pieces two weekends ago and the next step is the quilting. Have to work it in around some other projects so it's sort being completed in stages...
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Noctiped Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
No problem. =)

Just promise to send a picture when you are done. ;)
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Gwaewiel Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2010
you're my hero omg <3
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Noctiped Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2010  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Thanks! =)
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Gwaewiel Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2010
seriously, i've been looking for this all my life!...100 years at least! : O
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Noctiped Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2010  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Cool. :)
If you make one, promise that you send pictures =P
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Gwaewiel Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2010
I sure will make one sometime and I promise I'll take pics! :D
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dragonsdale Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2008   Traditional Artist
awesome!
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TheHolyWenzel Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2008
Awesome! Looks very cool and authentic.
This helps me a lot, thanks.
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Noctiped Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2008  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Thanks!
I am getting more and more eager for my armour to arrive so I can start putting them together... =P

And btw I just updated some minor errors, clarifyed a couple of things, and added a more descriptive image.
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